Spurred by Mangan’s recent post on Avoiding Psychopathic Predators, and Heartiste’s on How To Spot A Psychopath, I’ve some thoughts to share on psychopathy. To wit: the entire concept of psychopathy is a flawed and harmful belief. “Psychopathy” conflates positive and negative traits and assumes they are naturally linked. This flawed (or perhaps, ruthlessly effective) definition of psychopathy is making you weak, and holding you back in life.
What is psychopathy?
“Psychopathy” is just a word.
Words are not handed down to us from the gods; they (the words) are invented by imperfect humans. Usually, we invent useful words that help us clarify and explain concepts, but sometimes we screw up.
The word “Psychopath” as a signifier for a mental disorder of immorality, criminality, and Machiavellian behaviour dates to the early twentieth century. Our modern conception of psychopathy was laid out in 1941 with Hervey Cleckley’s Mask Of Sanity. A more recent airport book on modern psychopaths is Paul Babiak’s Snakes In Suits. I recommend both if you’re interested in the subject.
The definition and diagnosis of psychopathy uses the Hare Checklist of sociopathic behaviours:
- Glibness/superficial charm
- Grandiose sense of self-worth
- Pathological lying
- Cunning/manipulative
- Lack of remorse or guilt
- Emotionally shallow
- Failure to accept responsibility for own actions
- Callous/lack of empathy
- Need for stimulation/proneness to boredom
- Parasitic lifestyle
- Lack of realistic, long-term goals
- Impulsivity
- Irresponsibility
- Poor behavioral controls
- Early behavioral problems
- Juvenile delinquency
- Revocation of conditional release
- Criminal versatility
- Many short-term marital relationships
- Promiscuous sexual behavior
Each factor is assigned a point value of 0 (does not apply), 1 (partial match) or 2 (reasonably good match). The official cut-off for a clinical definition of psychopathy is a score of 25 out of 40 possible points.
Most people – to put it mildly – do not attach any positive connotations to the word “psychopath.” But within the pick-up/Manosphere/Red Pill subculture, there’s a trend towards festishization of Dark Triad personality traits. Quoth Heartiste in an earlier post:
What is it about psychopaths that women can’t get thoughts of them out of their heads? Besides their evocation of high status shamans and warriors of EEA yore, psychopaths bring one big advantage to the mating arena that quickly propels them to the top — fearlessness. That dead zone in their prefrontal gray matter means that psychopaths don’t feel much when women reject them. No hurt, no guilt, no shame, no doubt, no anger, no nothing. Imagine the power at your fingertips if you had the ice cold stones to approach thousands of women nonstop without suffering even the slightest ding to your emotional state from any rejections. Imagine that, coupled with this exotic imperviousness, you impulsively hit on any woman who piqued your interest. I don’t think you’ll need a calculator to figure out how fast your notch count would rise given these personality priors. Chicks dig a go-getter.
See also, from How To Spot A Psychopath:
Perusing that psychopath trait list, I can’t help but notice at least a few of those traits are distinctive of successful, and psychologically healthy, womanizers who simply love the romantic company of (a variety) women. There’s a fair amount of overlap between psychopathy and tight Game. For instance:
glib and superficial charm
grandiose (exaggeratedly high) estimation of self
need for stimulationAs any good player knows, chicks dig overconfident, charming men with exciting lives.
cunning and manipulativeness
Players can be manipulative, but so can women in their own ways. It’s fair to say a little bit of manipulation is normal and healthy in seduction. Legit psychopaths take that talent for manipulation to levels that would dismay even lifelong womanizers.
Can you hear the cognitive dissonance? Heartiste (and the Red Pill community in macrocosm) abhor psychopaths and urge you to keep your distance. But, we also say you should incorporate psychopathic traits into your personality. The Manosphere tacitly recognizes the value of certain psychopathic traits (who can argue with charm or high self-worth?) but we can’t whole-heartedly endorse psychopathy, because, well, I don’t really need to finish this sentence.
But in case I do: the above definition of psychopathy describes a man who burns his friends and family for short-term gain; lies frequently and when there is nothing to be gained; and is generally not worthy of your trust and affection. People (high-value people, at least) eventually catch on to malignant psychopathic behaviour, and excise such people from there lives.
Even if we put aside the moral dimensions of screwing people over: psychopaths eventually find themselves alone, friendless, unloved, untrusted, and unsuccessful. It’s just not a good life strategy.
The result of this confusing definition of psychopathy as a mish-mash of positive and negative traits, is a Red Pill community that struggles with cognitive dissonance. On one hand, the ability to understand and influence social situations is a good thing. But, you don’t want to be a guy who would sell your brother’s kidneys for money to buy a new juicer.
And it’s not like you can do one but not the other, right? This is a package deal! It’s all right there in the checklist.
Why the definition of psychopathy is making you weak
Let’s invent a new mental illness. We’ll call it Caninophillopathy.
Symptoms of Caninophillopathy include:
- Inability to pick up on social cues, read others’ body language, start or maintain a conversation
- Dislike changes in routines
- Appear to lack empathy
- Be unable to recognize subtle differences in speech tone, pitch, and accent that alter the meaning of others’ speech
- Avoid eye contact or stare at others
- Have unusual facial expressions or postures
- Loves dogs
You probably recognize these symptoms as Asperger’s Syndrome, plus the last one. (I had a hunch that people with Asperger’s had a special affinity for dogs, and a bit of Googling suggests a few other people have made this connection, so there’s probably some correlation between liking dogs and the autism spectrum.)
But, does a love of dogs actually belong in our definition of Asperger’s/Caninophillopathy? Is it a defining feature of the illness? Is the symptom even pathological?
Of course not. By conflating the symptoms of Asperger’s with other neutral or positive traits, we have pulled off the neat rhetorical trick of pathologizing a love of dogs.
I suggest that our working definition of psychopathy does something similar, by forcing an association between negative traits (criminality, cruelty, poor impulse control, maladaptive lying, short time horizons) and virtues such as cunning, charm, a working knowledge of social dynamics, and goal-oriented social behaviour. This muddled definition has two harmful effects on our minds.
The first is the stigmatization of healthy, adaptive behaviour that gets labeled sociopathic. For example, if you explain to people (average people) the concept of goal-oriented communication – i.e, the ability to consciously interact with people in a way that advances your interests – their reaction will often be “OMG you’re a psychopath.”
To such people, considering what you’re about to say before you say it = Hannibal Lector.
On the other side of the coin: by linking pathological behaviours like cruelty, shallowness, and pathological lying, with virtues like cunning and social savvy, the word “psychopathy” elevates those negative behaviours and causes impressionable young men strive to aspire toward “dark triad” personality traits. Men who simply want to exercise control and agency in their personal lives are tricked into believing that the only way to do so is to become a psychopath who lies, screws over his friends, has no concept of loyalty, and tries to condition himself to enjoy causing pain in others. Psychopathy connotes evil, but also strength. The result is a case of linguistic stolen valour – young men come to implicitly associate strength and evil.
Most men have some cruelty in their soul – the Cult Of The Dark Triad gives them a reason to nurture it. Other men, of a more sensitive disposition, are forced to wear a hat that never fits right. Neither type will ever be as happy and successful as they could be, if they just learn to annihilate the idea of psychopathy from their model of the world.
Cui Bono?
What’s the point of this nonsensical and harmful definition of a non-existent mental condition? Maybe I’m crazy, but I find the world starts to make more sense when you view our culture as a consciously designed tool to weaken and destroy us. Looking through this lens, the concept of Psychopathy serves two purposes:
- “Psychopathy” stigmatizes behaviours and mindsets that lead to wealth, power, and success.
- For those men who recognize (1), “Psychopathy” suggests that the only alternative to weakness is shallow, egotistical, lone-wolf cruelty.
The Psychopath/Non-Psychopath dichotomy suggests that people are either good and weak, or evil and strong. From the perspective of an elite that wants to remain in power, both options are acceptable: weak men can never accomplish anything; evil men will never develop lasting bonds to their friends, family, and nation that might inspire them to offer coordinated resistance.
The elite’s worst nightmare is a generation of men willing to discard a self-handicapping slave morality, and coordinate their newfound power to impose their will on the future. The concept of psychopathy funnels men into the individual weakness of anti-psychopathy, or a malignantly psychopathic inability to form cohesive social bonds.
Banishing Psychopathy
The literal meaning of psychopathy is broad: psycho-pathy means mind-disease. Many symptoms in our current definition of psychopathy can be characterized as mind-diseases:
- Taking pleasure in unnecessary cruelty
- Pathological lying
- Failure to plan
- Self-destructive impulsivity and thrill-seeking
These traits are generally self-destructive, anti-social, and maladaptive. But other aspects of our popular and clinical view of psychopathy – charm, social cunning, the ability to endure emotional circumstances without bawling like a toddler – are virtues that we should aspire to, rather than a sickness we should pathologize.
Am I a psychopath? It would appear so. I took the test above, and scored a clean twenty-five. Any man who writes about social dynamics, Game, NLP, and the commonalities between pick-up artists and SEOs, must have traits that the world defines as psychopathic.
But at the same time: I am deeply loyal to my friends and family; I recognize the value of my word and a reputation for honesty; I am not cruel to people for fun and amusement; most importantly, I have plenty of ambitious long-term goals – one of which is to help young western men escape the self-destructive beliefs that are keeping them atomized and weak.
So from now on, I suggest you banish the concept of “psychopath” from your vocabulary and mental model of the world. Don’t let the linguistic conflation of virtue and vice weaken your mind. You don’t have to choose between being strong and evil, or good and weak.
It is funny that PUAs should fetishize psychopathy. I blame the bastardization of the word “empathy”. It is not the territory of vegans and transcontinental adoption. Empathy is not altruism. True empathy, the ability to identify and understand the feelings and motivations of others is the cornerstone of true strategy, and central to understanding women and pickup. Heartiste is not a psychopath, he is very empathetic by the strictest definition of the word.
The truly empathetic will outmanuever a psychopath ten times out of ten.
That’s how Ace boogie defeated Rico(Paid in full)
Never saw it. Worth a watch?
Good to see ya around! How’s life? You’ve got my email.
Re: empathy, did you have Orson Scott Card’s Ender in mind when you wrote this? I won’t spoil the book for you if you haven’t, but it’s a great read and ultimately makes a similar point.
I’m gonna email you in the future about something I’m working on.
Never read Enders’ Game but I’m not surprised Card made those points. ‘Aint nothing new under the sun.
I look back on all the cruel things I did to chicks in college and am ashamed. While loyal and honest with my friends, I aspired to the dark triad in my dealings with women. It works, but it eats your soul and it’s not who I am or want to be. And it’s not what most men are either.
It’s just as effective being charming, fun, having boundaries and being comfortable in your own skin. Aka the positive traits you’ve highlighted.
“Even if we put aside the moral dimensions of screwing people over: psychopaths eventually find themselves alone, friendless, unloved, untrusted, and unsuccessful.”
That’s theory, in reality psychopaths can be very stupid or very intelligent (and everything in between). The stupid ones often make regular trips to prison, but the intelligent ones often end up being both popular and successful.
“But, you don’t want to be a guy who would sell your brother’s kidneys for money to buy a new juicer.
And it’s not like you can do one but not the other, right? This is a package deal! It’s all right there in the checklist.”
It depends, many sociopaths have a small group of people they tend not to hurt (close family, sometime a few lifelong friends). This isn’t always the case as some have screwed over their family many times, but many don’t. Psychopathy have a large spectrum of individuals, and most of them don’t tick every single box of the checklist. Psychopaths can have very different behaviors from one another.
“Neither type will ever be as happy and successful as they could be, if they just learn to annihilate the idea of psychopathy from their model of the world.”
That’s your vision. I’m really not sure one would be happier or more successful by rejecting that idea. But I agree that one shouldn’t wear a hat if it doesn’t fit.
“The Psychopath/Non-Psychopath dichotomy suggests that people are either good and weak, or evil and strong.”
You’re right, some people are good and strong. Though they are strong despite being good, not because. Though our definition of strong may differ.
“evil men will never develop lasting bonds to their friends, family, and nation that might inspire them to offer coordinated resistance.”
As I wrote above, it isn’t true for family and friends (it depends on the individual). But it’s true that socio/psychopaths won’t usually join a resistance group, especially since it will be composed of strangers the psychopath doesn’t care about.
“The elite’s worst nightmare is a generation of men willing to discard a self-handicapping slave morality, and coordinate their newfound power to impose their will on the future.”
When some people coordinate to impose their will on the future. Two results are possible :
1) They didn’t manage to change anything, which is common. While they were sacrificing/exhausting themselves for change, the psychopath took advantage of the flaws of the current system.
2) They did manage to impose their will on the future. The psychopath didn’t help in any way, but he will benefit from the improvement just as everyone else.
So, you’re right, the elite won’t have to fear the sociopath particularly as they’re in for themselves. The question everyone should ask is : do I want to beat them or join them?
“I have plenty of ambitious long-term goals – one of which is to help young western men escape the self-destructive beliefs that are keeping them atomized and weak.”
Weak is the last word I’d use to describe psychopaths but I get that you were talking about a whole group, fighting for a purpose. It’s true that psychopaths don’t benefit the group as a whole (quite the opposite). The question is : do I care about the group ideals? You seem to care about it so in your case, apart from the little mistakes I talked about, the article makes sense.
I think that too many women think that their own concept of “good” is universal and don’t really want to know how sausage is made. Men who make sausage must be “bad”. (Boy do I love a good wurst in the worst way.)
A wise man doesn’t shit where he eats but rather puts everything in its place. There’s a season for everything however lacking a flawless calendar most of us are stuck with our instincts and own sense of “balance”. Religions that tend to go the distance provide their congregants both a sense of balance and a dependence on the timekeeper, who, incidentally, is usually celibate to reduce the appearance of conflict-of-interest.
If the possibility of having one’s own “good” woman tends to motivate men into sacrificing their productivity for “the common good”, sheltering her often requires lying. At the least, one needs to shelter her from men who are willing to give her the “bad” that she craves. However, she’ll find it, somehow, anyway, if left to her own devices. Therefore, she might as well get it at home.
Psychopaths are a genetic adaptation in humans to prey off the mass of humans who have empathy. Empathy is a genetic adaptation that has made humans successful.
Societies have been destroyed by psychopaths. An example is Alcibiades. Alcibiades went from city to city in the ancient world. In Sparta he was more Spartan than the Spartans. Changing his chameleon skin every time he moved somewhere else and betraying everyone he came in contact with. Alcibiades killed Athens with risky schemes to glorify himself.
http://www.ancient.eu.com/Alcibiades/
One thing not widely known is King Agis hated Alcibiades because Alcibiades had a child by the Kings wife.
http://therationalmale.com/2011/09/30/the-nice-guy-jerk-spectrum/
A new world Jerk order.
Another criticism leveled at Game is a fear that nominally Nice Guys will take this lesson to heart and become intolerable assholes. The fear is a new generation of arrogant pricks ‘not being themselves’ all in order to hook up. I understand the fear of a mass of men radically leaning their personalities towards the Jerk end of the spectrum as prompted by the PUA or MRA communities. Let me be the first to say those fears are unfounded. Guys don’t search out the community, blogs or forums because they’re getting too much pussy from being archetypically ‘nice’. In fact the observation that more, shall we say, “self-centered” Men seem to be getting laid most consistently is so prevalent that there’s an entire section dedicated to it on the main SoSuave page, leads me to believe that a sudden paradigm shift to Jerk-ness isn’t remotely the threat that anyone should fear. Nice Guys, by definition, have a real tough time effectively pulling off acting like a Jerk, much less genuinely converting their personality’s to that of a Jerk.
Most men WOULD prefer to inch towards the jerk end of the spectrum, if at all, and assuming they come to believing things aren’t as they previously believed. The more common mindset for beta males is to expect that women should appreciate them for being the ‘nice’, dependable, self-sacrificing guy that every woman since his mother has told him he should be. It’s far easier to believe that the world should change for you than to accept the truth that you need to improve yourself to get the things you want. It’s the lazy man’s path to disqualify or cheapen things that he desperately wants, but lacks the motivation to change himself to get. So the hot, ‘quality’ girl he wanted before, becomes the ‘trashy club slut’ after she rejects him. The real quality girl should love/desire him unconditionally, “for who he is” rather than force him into improving himself, which in this instance means he ought to become the caricatured Jerk archetype he’s been taught to hate. Most people resist becoming what they hate, even if it’s a change for the better.
We ought to worry less about social implications of converting nice guys into jerks than making them self-aware to begin with. The risk of creating a bona fide Jerk in an effort is a decent trade off.