Feminism Is Causing The Depression Epidemic

One in four middle-aged American women are taking anti-depressants. One might ask: Is there something wrong with our society, when a quarter of our women have to be pumped full of drugs, just to make it through the day without slitting their wrists in a bathtub?

Unlike illnesses caused by viruses and bacteria, depression is something the human body does to itself. The clinically depressed brain chooses to skimp on dopamine and serotonin production, because it believes – based on the previous reproductive payoffs of thousands of generations of evolution – that doing so is adaptive. There are several possible evolutionary explanations for depression, such as the psychic pain hypothesis:

According to the psychic pain hypothesis, depression is analogous to physical pain in that it informs the sufferer that current circumstances, such as the loss of a friend, are imposing a threat to biological fitness, it motivates the sufferer to cease activities that led to the costly situation, if possible, and it causes him or her to learn to avoid similar circumstances in the future. Proponents of this view tend to focus on low mood, and regard clinical depression as a dysfunctional extreme of low mood.

The Analytical Rumination Hypothesis:

This hypothesis suggests that depression is an adaptation that causes the affected individual to concentrate his or her attention and focus on a complex problem in order to analyze and solve it.

One way depression increases the individual’s focus on a problem is by inducing rumination. Depression activates the left ventrolateral prefrontal cortex, which increases attention control and maintains problem-related information in an “active, accessible state” referred to as “working memory,” or WM. As a result, depressed individuals have been shown to ruminate, reflecting on the reasons for their current problems. Feelings of regret associated with depression also cause individuals to reflect and analyze past events in order to determine why they happened and how they could have been prevented.

Another way depression increases an individual’s ability to concentrate on a problem is by reducing distraction from the problem. For example, anhedonia, which is often associated with depression, decreases an individual’s desire to participate in activities that provide short-term rewards, and instead, allows the individual to concentrate on long-term goals. In addition, “psychomotory changes,” such as solitariness, decreased appetite, and insomnia also reduce distractions. For instance, insomnia enables conscious analysis of the problem to be maintained by preventing sleep from disrupting such processes. Likewise, solitariness, lack of physical activity, and lack of appetite all eliminate sources of distraction, such as social interactions, navigation through the environment, and “oral activity,” which disrupt stimuli from being processed.

And the Social Navigation/Niche Change hypothesis:

The social navigation or niche change hypothesiscombines the analytical rumination and bargaining hypotheses and suggests that depression, operationally defined as a combination of prolonged anhedonia and psychomotor retardation or agitation, provides a focused sober perspective on socially imposed constraints hindering a person’s pursuit of major fitness enhancing projects. Simultaneously, publicly displayed symptoms, which reduce the depressive’s ability to conduct basic life activities, serve as a social signal of need; the signal’s costliness for the depressive certifies its honesty. Finally, for social partners who find it uneconomical to respond helpfully to an honest signal of need, the same depressive symptoms also have the potential to extort relevant concessions and compromises. Depression’s extortionary power comes from the fact that it retards the flow of just those goods and services such partners have come to expect from the depressive under status quo socioeconomic arrangements.

(Here’s a TED talk that appears to cover most of the above.)

What’s obvious to any student of social dynamics, is that the complex of behaviours associated with clinical depression – hunched shoulders, weak eye contact, avoidance of social interactions – are all low-status ‘tells’. The obvious conclusion is that what we call depression is the human body’s subconscious way of saying: You Suck.

More specifically, depression is a means by which the body signals to itself that something is wrong with its current approach to life. Remember, your body is your best friend. When it hurts you, it’s trying to create a catalyst for behavioural changes.

Of course there are some people whose malfunctioning neurochemistry renders them naturally prone to depression. Similarly, there is also a small percentage of people with glandular disorders that predispose them to obesity. But when such a huge fraction of a population develops a problem in such a short period of time – as we see in both the obesity and depression epidemics – the most obvious explanation is that it’s environmental.

So, of the 30 million or so Americans currently on anti-depressant drugs, the vast majority are healthy and functional human beings, whose brains have subconsciously concluded that their current behaviour is self-destructive. Rather than acknowledge this wake-up call and make positive changes, mentally ill Americans are treating the symptoms of their unnatural and unhappy lives.

So, the question shifts: Why are so many women acting in a way their brains perceive as counterproductive? The attentive reader will recall the title of this post:

Feminism Is Causing The Depression Epidemic

Now, study this picture well. We will return to it.

On a biological level, Humans are survival and replication machines. Our brain rewards us with positive emotions when it perceives our actions as adaptive; otherwise, it punishes us with pain.

The modern American woman is placed in a double-bind that guarantees she will be susceptible to depression in her middle age. She can either follow the feminist ‘Empowerment’ script, and spend her childbearing years focused on her career and a series of casual relationships, or she can pursue motherhood.

The subconscious core of the barren thirty-five year old empowered woman does not care that she just made Senior HR Adviser and upgraded her condo with a new sofa set and designer cat-scratch post. In the eyes of the gods of biomechanics, she is as great a failure as has ever lived.

The career-climbing women who manage to squeeze out a child or two in between pilates class and their second Venti medium roasts are not much better off. In our ancestral environment, before the invention of subsidized daycare and baby formula, a woman who saw her child for only an hour or two a day was doing something seriously wrong.

And what of the women who actually recognize that motherhood is a more rewarding vocation than the meaningless paper-shuffling that 90% of them would be doing in a ‘real’ career? They’re vulnerable as well. Humans are social creatures, and the fairer sex is especially sensitive to their approval or rejection by the tribe. We are all wired to pay close attention to the values of the high-status men and women in our world, and conform our behaviour to their expectations. Our modern tribal leaders are the media celebrities, academics, journalists, and other arbiters of public opinion. Unless one makes a strong and conscious decision to disassociate with mainstream American culture, he or she will subconsciously measure themself by their approval.

For the married stay-at-home American mother of 2013, the message sent by America’s high-status elite is clear: Fuck You, traditional mothers.

Getting married, having children, loving them, and prioritizing their happiness and success over your own self-actualization is a rejection of Feminism at the most basic level. Walking this path will spare the modern woman the psychic torment of reproductive failure. But unless she unplugs herself from mainstream media, and social circles influenced thereby, she will suffer the sting of social rejection, right in the paleomammalian complex.

The key prediction of the Feminism -> Depression hypothesis is that women who prioritize family, and do so in an environment that supports their choice, will be happier. Well wouldn’t ya know it? Dutch women are among the happiest in Europe:

“In 2001, nearly 60 per cent of working Dutch women were employed part-time, compared to just 20 per cent of Canadian women. Today, the number is even higher, hovering around 75 per cent. Some, like Van Haeren, view this as progress, evidence of personal freedom and a commitment to a balanced lifestyle.

…Dutch women appear deaf to the siren call of the workplace. Asked whether they’d like to increase their hours, just four per cent said yes, compared to 25 per cent of French women. And while across the Channel, British media are heralding the resurgence of feminism—last weekend, some 500 women crowded into a feminist training camp, UK Feminista, to be trained in direct action and activism—in Holland, women like Van Haeren baldly proclaim no further need for the movement. “Feminism wasn’t necessary anymore by the time I grew up,” she says. “In my eyes, it was a thing of the past.”

The relationship between personal lifestyle choices and the socio-economic standing of women has been under the microscope in Holland ever since the publication of Dutch Women Don’t Get Depressed in 2008. Ellen de Bruin, who patterned her book after Mireille Guiliano’s bestseller French Women Don’t Get Fat, began by defining the stereotypical Dutch woman: naturally beautiful with a no-fuss sense of style, she rides her bike to fetch the groceries, has ample time with her kids and husband, takes art classes in the middle of the week, and spends leisurely afternoons drinking coffee with her friends. She loves to work part-time and does not earn as much as her husband, but she’s fine with that—he takes care of the bills. The book went on to note that Dutch women rank consistently low, compared to those in other Western countries, in terms of representation in top positions in business and government—and rank consistently near the top in terms of happiness and well-being. In fact, just about everyone in Holland seems pleased with the status quo; in 2009, the Netherlands ranked highest of all OECD countries in terms of overall well-being.”

In stark contrast, the handsome lads over at r/TheRedPill had a good laugh over this thread at rival Social Justice Warrior sub-forum r/TheBlue Bill, in which an endless parade of feminists, manginas, and assorted members of the volunteer thought police revealed their long histories with a never-ending schedule of anti-depressants:

Didn’t find out until after my suicide attempt that the antidepressant I was on..

I took Buspar for several weeks before I realised it was the reason…

Zoloft is making me see things out of the corner of my eye that aren’t there…

Have you ever tried any tricyclics? I’ve had experiences with SSRIs that were similar to what’s already been described in this discussion, but had a fairly good experience with the one tricyclic I tried…

I’m on Pristiq, I believe that’s related to Effexor?

And on it goes. If only there was some sort of internet community devoted to truth, self-improvement and healthy relationships, that they could turn to, with a minimum of ego suppression.

Now, I have a real treat for you. Here’s another excerpt from the article above:

“Others, however, view it as an alarming signal that women are no longer seeking equality in the workplace. Writer and economist Heleen Mees, for example, argues that the stereotypical Dutch woman has become complacent. “Even at the University of Amsterdam—the most progressive university we have—I had a 22-year-old student say, ‘Why is it your business if my wife wants to bake cookies?’ and the female students agreed with him! I was like, what’s happening here?”

Mees runs an organization called Women on Top that strives to push more Dutch women into ambitious career paths. Its slogan is “Out with the part-time feminism!” and it points to part-time work as a major factor in a lingering pay gap. Then there’s the matter of principle. “I think highly educated women have a moral obligation to take top positions, to set an example by their choices,” says Mees. “When women just stay at home or work part-time, they don’t reach the top, and they set bad examples for their daughters and daughters’ daughters.”

Understandably, the notion that there’s a correlation between women’s relative powerlessness and their happiness rubs people like Heleen Mees the wrong way. Yet others frame the correlation differently, arguing that Dutch women have smashed the vicious circle of guilt that traps other Western women, to embrace a progressive form of work-life balance.”

Note that this article was written in 2011. Does the name Helen Mees ring any bells? Ah yes. That would be the same Helen Mees recently charged with stalking Citigroup’s chief economist:

“The Dutch economist was arrested July 1 after allegedly sending more than 1,000 e-mails to Buiter over a two-year time period…

He’s had a past history of disconnecting Ms. Mees and then reconnecting with her…

“What can I do to make it right? Shall I lick your b–s?” she said in one X-rated epistle…

In another, she told him: “Hope your plane falls out of the sky.”

Her angry rants allegedly included Buiter’s wife and children.

Prosecutors say she targeted his family even after she was told to stop…

Buiter received a snapshot of Mees pleasuring herself and another creepily depicting dead birds, according to court papers…

Mees is looking for new jobs after she was shunned from NYU’s Wagner Graduate School of Public Service because of this case.”

One is left awestruck at the gall of such a sad, broken, shell of a woman, dedicating her life to haranguing happy Dutch mothers and wives into mimicking her own poor life choices. Recall the picture above – the set jaw; skin cracking in defiance of who knows how many thousands of dollars spent on over-promising lotions; the dead eyes. I wonder what sort of all-you-can-eat buffet of SSRI chemical cocktails we might find in the bathroom cabinet of Ms. Mees?

But for all her years and related flaws, Helen Mees is not a bad looking 45-year old. Surrounded by a happy, healthy family, she would have been a fine demonstration of Solomon’s Proverb 28: A woman can age beautifully:

“A good woman ages beautifully. When I look at my wife, I see the most gorgeous woman in the universe. Her wrinkled hands got that way by keeping up with my two boys and working hard for them while I was on the road. The lines under her eyes are from years of shedding tears for me when I was at war, and those wrinkles on her brow are from decades of worry for me and my two sons. It was her legs they held on to when they were learning to walk, her lap was where they learned to read, and her breasts were their first nourishment. The first kiss those boys ever received was from her lips, and God willing, my last kiss will be from her lips.”

But Helen Mees knows that no strong man will ever say anything like that about her. And this is the fire that fuels her perverted desire to lead other women into her own unenviable situation. Truly, this is the psychic fuel that powers so much of the feminist movement: Angry lesbians and childless rejects, desperately trying to convince young women to share in their unhappiness. As Susan Walsh put it:

The women who write about sex for Jezebel are damaged. And they want you to be the same way.

Susan was writing about sex positive feminists attempting to destigmatize STDs, but the same logic applies to feminists discouraging fat-shaming, slut-shaming, lookism, and so on. Feminists are broken. They either cannot or will not fix themselves. Thus, their goal is to convince whole women to voluntarily destroy themselves.

Solving the depression epidemic will be simple, if not easy: When Feminists are mocked and jeered in the street; when wives and mothers are celebrated for their service to their families and to posterity; when this country is filled with happy, healthy women who look upon the shrieking social justice warrior set with pity and contempt; when all of this comes to pass, American women will find themselves free of the need to find their happiness at the bottom of a jar of pills.


  1. sunshinemary says

    Outstanding post.

    Though I don’t think Ms. Mees looks good at all for 45. I would have guessed her to be in her mid-fifties in that photo. She doesn’t look happy or attractive.

    • Frost_25 says


      She looks a lot better than most 45 year old women I see walking around. Of course she doesn’t look happy, but tolerable looking? Sure, why not.

  2. Revo Luzione says

    Great stuff, Frost. This is by far the best article on Feminism that I’ve seen in the manosphere of late.

    You don’t say much about how it’s affected men’s happiness, though manosphere regulars need no introduction to that subject. But neophyte men do. Guys who’ve only grazed the surface of the manosphere may not get that the decline in traditional gender roles has greatly affected men’s happiness as well, for the most part very negatively.

    There are a few men whose natural inclination is to sleep around a lot. These guys probably should be thanking feminists six ways from Sunday. But for the rest of us, who desire a Proverbs women, if we’re not depressed about it, it’s because we’ve already accepted it and made a personal commitment to be happy anyway.

    • Frost_25 says


      I think men caught in endless dating have an easier time of it, since our brains think that we’re following a successful reproductive strategy, banging chicks who for all our biochemistry knows got knocked up. Men are also better able to deceive themselves via porn and video games than women, since (simplifying) our goal is sex with a fertile woman, while women’s goal is sex + emotional connection with a high-status man. The latter is much harder to fake with porn.

      I do plan to address male depression and anxiety in a future post though.


  3. tdietzt says

    Another thing you might want to look into is the phenomenon of fibromyalgia, a pain disorder which affects 3-6 percent of women. (Mostly high achieving women. It’s my theory that it’s caused by the stress women experience when they try to work like men. Their endochrine system goes haywire. Not surprisingly, it’s also accompanied by depression in most cases…)

  4. 'Reality' Doug says

    Fantastic post, Frost! I don’t know how anyone claiming to be red-pill could be angry with women as persons to be held accountable with insights like this. But the emotionally wounded blue-pill men roaming our ‘sphere wanting to ‘show them’ women are sadly numerous. Such men probably try to appease and befriend aloof four-legged pussies with infantile infatuation too. Middle-aged women are mostly invisible to me. The problem is the solution. Go, Big Pharma! Sad but true. When women stop ‘making a difference’, we can get on with living well.

  5. says

    A couple of things worth noting:

    First, it’s not clear that people are any more depressed now than they once were. Usage of antidepressants is a poor gauge for a variety of reasons. Those include:

    * increased use ≠ increased prevalence of the disorder its intended to treat
    * not everyone who takes antidepressants to treat depression (Chantix is an antidepressant, if that tells you anything)

    Second, it’s not clear that depression is in any way adaptive. Geoffrey Miller and Matthew Keller wrote a paper noting that many common mental disorders are not adaptive, but are in fact the result of genetic load (accumulated deleterious mutations).

    A link to their paper can be found here:

    HBD Fundamentals: On genetic load | JayMan’s Blog

    OK, that said, kudos to you for pointing out the connection between fertility rates and happiness:

    The key prediction of the Feminism -> Depression hypothesis is that women who prioritize family, and do so in an environment that supports their choice, will be happier. Well wouldn’t ya know it? Dutch women are among the happiest in Europe:

    “In 2001, nearly 60 per cent of working Dutch women were employed part-time, compared to just 20 per cent of Canadian women. Today, the number is even higher, hovering around 75 per cent. Some, like Van Haeren, view this as progress, evidence of personal freedom and a commitment to a balanced lifestyle.

    …Dutch women appear deaf to the siren call of the workplace. Asked whether they’d like to increase their hours, just four per cent said yes, compared to 25 per cent of French women. And while across the Channel, British media are heralding the resurgence of feminism—last weekend, some 500 women crowded into a feminist training camp, UK Feminista, to be trained in direct action and activism—in Holland, women like Van Haeren baldly proclaim no further need for the movement. “Feminism wasn’t necessary anymore by the time I grew up,” she says. “In my eyes, it was a thing of the past.”

    Indeed, as Northwestern Europe demonstrates, in the developed world, fertility is highest if children don’t completely conflict with career; mothers still enjoy working outside the home, and as such, fertility can be bolstered by working mother-friendly (i.e., “socialist”) policies such as paid maternity leave and state-sponsored day care.

    In fact, across the developed world, there is a strong positive correlation (r^2 = 0.55, in fact) between fertility rates and reported levels of happiness.

    However, the U.K. wasn’t the best country to contrast with Holland; White British fertility rates are amongst the highest in the developed world.

    See A Tale of Three Maps | JayMan’s Blog


    Fertility and Happiness: A Global Perspective | JayMan’s Blog

    and, about those working-mom friendly policies, look at the example of Denmark:

    A Success Story? | JayMan’s Blog

    • Bryce Laliberte says

      A potential means of corroborating that women are more depressed now than before would be to separate incidence of depression by generation. If we find significant differences in depression incidence by generation, say older generations have lower incidence, then Frost’s thesis still provides explanatory power for why younger women have higher incidence of depression.

      • lujk says

        Not really– the correlation of feminism existing as a movement and depression does not imply causation… or maybe it implies a third-party causation. I.e. “Is there something wrong with our society, when a quarter of our women have to be pumped full of drugs, just to make it through the day without slitting their wrists in a bathtub?” Well, maybe the things that are wrong with our society that make life hard for women and cause depression are the same things feminism is meant to combat. It’s really just a shoddy / sloppy argument.

      • Informed says

        Also, keep in mind that until feminism began, most women couldn’t go to a doctor to be diagnosed without their husband’s permission anyway. Furthermore, mental illness was seen in a completely different light back then, and most people would prefer to deal with extreme depression on their own than be diagnosed and undergo shock therapy, since anti-depressants really only emerged in the 80s. Arguing this theory from the school of Psychology, especially Psychopharmacology, is very risky considering the two undergo complete overhauls every 50 or so years and openly admit that they don’t really know how the drugs they prescribe work.

    • lemmycaution says

      Stay at home mom’s have higher levels of depression than working moms. 28% versus 17%. Part time work appears to be the sweet spot.

  6. Carlee says

    You know, I am a married, educated SAHM who considers herself a feminist in that I want women to be treated with basic respect and compassion by the world and by men. For me, feminism has always been mostly about changing the way many past and current cultures have seen women’s bodies and minds as something to be owned and used by men. Feminism for me has to do, therefore, with things like reproductive safety, safety from sexual aggression, sex trafficking, etc. Education of women and girls is a big part of that, especially in developing countries. So it confuses me when “feminism” so frequently gets boiled down, by both big-name feminist writers and MRA folks like you, to this idea that it’s about women and the workplace. I think you are spot-on when you point out that it is quite offensive to intelligent, compassionate, educated stay-at-home mothers like myself when a new book comes out written by the latest female CEO or feminist economist DEMANDING that all women go to work or else we are letting down “the cause”. It’s certainly as offensive as it would be for anyone to publish a book demanding that women get back into the kitchen. And I do think that it is unfair of American educational/career-focused feminism to not be more frank with young women about the fact that yeah, at about 28, 29, there’s a STRONG chance that those hormones are going to kick in with a bang and you are going to desperately want a baby. To make them believe that in our country, with its workaholic culture and no guaranteed parental leave of any kind, it will be easy or even possible to have the families that they may someday want AND the fabulous, ask-kicking career they have been groomed to think they should go after…well, that’s just lying. My dad, a psychiatrist, was always frank with me about the fact that I could do anything in the world I wanted to, but to keep in mind that someday I would probably want to have babies so I should plan for a career that would let me do that. I hated his advice when I was 16, but now I am glad that he had an influence there. I picked PR/communications, which I do think comes naturally to many women, and can be done part-time. I picked a wonderful husband who I knew would be a good dad and good provider (not to mention a handsome, funny devil). And this was our plan. With two kids under 5, sure some days are hard and lonely and frustrating, but you know why that is a lot of the time? So many other moms are at work all day so there are no kids in the neighborhood anymore. I have found a great group of local SAHMs to hang out with, but yeah, it can be depressing knowing that you are one of a few slogging through it all without the “village” that moms used to have in the form of other women.
    I remember that article about Dutch women because I remember thinking, no shit, of course they are happier working part time and indulging their feminine, mothering natures the rest of the time. How awesome! I do wonder how many of your readers realize though, that a lifestyle like that is possible in Holland because of the generous social safety net provided by the government via high taxes. I would bet that many of you folks are Repulican/Libertarian, so that entire notion would be anathema. But I am just making assumptions, and we all know that that does… 🙂

    • Carlee says

      Ok, furthering my thoughts. Wow, I also, strangely, agree with you about the reasons why ambitious, workaholic people generally (not just women, but I know this is the point of the article) are so loud and f-ing annoying about the fact that everyone else should work themselves to death just like they do. The neurotic, type-a personality is generally so devoid of a broad world-view or a compassionate, empathetic nature, that they literally cannot envision a different path. But they know their own path makes them sick and unhappy, even as it thrills them. Thus, they want everyone else to suffer. I have had female bosses like this. One divorced, childless middle-aged boss used to hate it when 23-year-old me would not go out to socialize with her and the other folks like her after having been at the office all day, instead choosing to go home and make dinner with (he loves to cook!) my then-boyfriend-now-husband. She would sneer, “Oh, YOU have a life, go on home then.” My next boss, same type of lady but even more type-A, tried to talk me out of getting married when my husband proposed! She said it would kill my career (wtf?). And this lady was so miserable, you could see it radiating from her hunched, wiry shoulders and hollow eye sockets. It just made me angry and also very sad for her. Did I mention I think compassion is important, lol?
      The one problem with the way you end the piece, in my opinion, is that it is SUCH a slippery slope from RAISING up motherhood and femininity and traditional nurturing roles, to FORCING women into those roles. The Victorians created a huge cult of motherhood and many Victorian women were proudly photographed in professional portraits nursing their babies, even while the culture itself was very prudish. But women were also very restricted both physically, in terms of corsetry, heavy clothing, etc., and in terms of education, work, property rights, etc. We need to ensure that many of the positive gains that humanity has made in the modern era in terms of the equality and kind treatment of ALL people, is not lost by advocating a reactionary swing back into roles that made people of both genders miserable in their total restrictiveness.

      • Titan000 says

        ”But women were also very restricted both physically, in terms of
        corsetry, heavy clothing, etc., and in terms of education, work,
        property rights, etc.”

        Perhaps to make themselves attractive to men? And to look helpless and fragile?

      • Titan000 says

        ”We need to ensure that many of the positive gains that humanity has made
        in the modern era in terms of the equality and kind treatment of ALL
        people, is not lost by advocating a reactionary swing back into roles
        that made people of both genders miserable in their total

        All humans are spiritually equal and should be equal under the law. Does that mean the abolition of hierarchy?

    • flailer says

      As a 70s, 80s, 90s feminist, I hear what you are saying.
      As a Man, what I have learned is that Feminism DEMANDED respect for free. The kind of respect that I had to, that Men have to, work & SLAVE for decades for to EARN.
      Feminism asked, no DEMANDED, every advantage possible, while adoption the worse behaviors from the kind of people that never asked for, nor deserved respect.
      Furthermore, as I was on the receiving end the HATRED, BLAMING, & SHAMING of young Men & Boys, I know for a FACT that it was CRIMINAL. Try doing that to a young girl & a Man would be SHOT like a dog on the street.
      I, for one, am ASHAMED that I ever associated with Feminism; that I hung my head to their Blaming & Shaming tactics; and that I bowed to their DEMANDS.
      Even today, after decades of lies & abuse, Feminists still do NOT hold their own members’ criminal, lying, & hate filled sister accountable for their behavior.
      In short: Feminism is a Sexism on Steroids. It is Gynocentrism gone completely berserk.

      Have a nice day!

  7. Anon says

    You bring up valid points, but I really I think you’re blaming depression of the female masses on an ideal that is meant to stand for equality, instead of on the people who give it a bad name. Not all women who suffer from depression are feminists, and those that are aren’t all ones that blame men for their problems. The idea of feminism is great, it’s as good as any other idea for equality, but just like any other idea it can be used as an excuse for poor behaviour.

  8. You Are A Dumbass says

    I like how Matt Forney uses this as evidence for his own misogynistic, piece-of-shit writing, when this is clearly along the same line of thinking, with no factual basis. Have fun in your ‘manosphere’ when you realize how much of a complete fucking idiot you are.

  9. Disgusted says

    Do any of you have science – ACTUAL science, not just a collection of theories and antidotes – to back up the outrageous statements you’re making on your “manosphere” or as I see it the underground anti-women community?

    • Objective Purple Pill says

      I think you mean anecdotes. It’s ironic that you label this place with the term “underground” because they want more visibility. Plus, manosphere sounds like it’s a higher way of seeing (like a stratosphere).

      • Still Disgusted says

        First, whether or not they would like higher visibility, not many people see this (thank goodness). The desire for publicity does not make something less underground. People in the hip-hop underground want to be famous, but can’t get the publicity. Second, sphere only refers to a three dimensional shape. Spheres contain volume (matter), in this case, bigoted thoughts. The word itself has no connotation of higher, merely separate.

    • Sensei says

      Actually, as a MD Ph.D psychiatrist, I can tell you confidently that the underlying social (non-medical) causes of depression are seldom discussed. The “why” is much less important (unfortunately) than the pharmacological prescription in today’s world.

      The break from biological imperatives suffered by those living in modern societies is not limited to women at all. There is also much discussion of male depression being linked to being indoors, not getting enough light, and not exercising all day long (for which there is considerable evidence is the historic daily regimen of males living in a more natural state). It is not remotely beyond the pale that women have evolved after billions of years to derive happiness from particular activities. For example, we know that a new mother undergoes massive hormonal changes that affect her emotional state and ambitions profoundly. These changes often last for the rest of a woman’s life. That is very much “science”. So anyone making the claim that such hormonal changes are “unnecessary” or “unimportant” is the one making claims which lack scientific backing. They may well be “necessary” to a sense of well being.

      We are all, both men and women, engaged in a gigantic and historically unprecedented social experiment called “modernity”. If one thing can be said confidently its this: We’re not built for this world we have invented.

      Explanations which start from that single unavoidable truth, are more likely true than false in my personal opinion and experience.

  10. Guest says

    Question: How can you claim that women ” have to be pumped full of drugs, just to make it through the day without slitting their wrists in a bathtub?” when the article you link to as a source says most diagnoses of depression are false positives?

  11. guest says

    this is one of the dumbest articles I have ever read. This is a community of imbeciles.

  12. Dave Smith says

    A great article, however would have really appreciated a small piece about the state/media/international banking system who are promoting the feminism agenda so that the State can recover higher tax revenues which enable the private international banking system to leverage more Debt against the states assets = citizens through a profligate political elite taking ever more control of the pseudo democratic system and everyones lives.

  13. anon says

    I don’t think that atavistic celebration of motherhood is the solution, women were put up on the CC from a young age and then put down.
    there is nothing to be happy about biological system failure that makes the skin on your hands wrinkled and deficient.

    the reason women are depressed is :
    1. they show it quickly
    2. current society rubs your nose with how poor and disposable you are constantly
    3. failed value system from the past

    men can be depressed for all the same reasons but on another schedule.
    1. being socially isolated in ones youth
    2. being needed only as a provider/status symbol after it
    3. not being able to own your stuff

    feminism isn’t to blame, someone had to come up with feminism to do what they wanted to do all along and spread it up, overcrowding or something similar can be blamed. as well as the dual nature of women themselves which is maladaptive in todays society.